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Zero · Joined: 15 May 2006 Posts: 4387

Has an interesting hand come up today while I was at PR.

1-2NL
10 handed table.

I was in middle position. A couple callers in front of me, I limped with
67o (black cards) 8 players to the flop.

Flop
8 9 10 (2 diamonds)

Player 1 in EP bets $7,
Player 2 next to him raises to $17.

I am next to act, and so while I am pondering what to do with my flopped straight...the 5 players behind me all fold out of turn and Player 1 "calls" the raise from Player 2. Then when I say..."uhhh, I think its my turn to act" Player 1 pulls his call back. (yeh yeh, I know his money should stay out there, but thats not important for this hand)

So with all that new information. I sit and ponder what do they have. I have both of them covered, they both have about $150ish, while I somehow built my $120 buyin to $250ish or so by then.

A little info on the 2 players.
Player 1 fires out at every pot on the turn if it checks around, or on the flop if he is in LP. His early bet told me he might have a pair or flush draw?

Player 2 is more tight, and straight forward player.

What would you do here and why? And also is just calling here good or bad?

itsoverjonny · Joined: 10 Jun 2006 Posts: 1698

Assuming that neither of them flopped a bigger straight than you, the chances are pretty good that between the two villians you're facing at least a J for an open-ender as well as a flush draw. If so, you are a dog against the villians' combined outs.

The raise to 17 seems a little fishy - quite possibly one of the two draws mentioned trying to buy a free card in position.

If it were me, I would smooth-call the Turn and promise myself that I fold to any bet if any scare card hits the turn (diamond, 7, J, Q). If the turn is safe, you are now about a 2:1 favorite, and I would WAY overbet the pot and try to take it right there.

Action Greggo · Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject:

itsoverjonny wrote: Assuming that neither of them flopped a bigger straight than you, the chances are pretty good that between the two villians you're facing at least a J for an open-ender as well as a flush draw. If so, you are a dog against the villians' combined outs.

The raise to 17 seems a little fishy - quite possibly one of the two draws mentioned trying to buy a free card in position.

If it were me, I would smooth-call the Turn and promise myself that I fold to any bet if any scare card hits the turn (diamond, 7, J, Q). If the turn is safe, you are now about a 2:1 favorite, and I would WAY overbet the pot and try to take it right there.

Well put.. win it now.

Zero · Joined: 15 May 2006 Posts: 4387

Zero wrote: Has an interesting hand come up today while I was at PR.

1-2NL
10 handed table.

I was in middle position. A couple callers in front of me, I limped with
67o (black cards) 8 players to the flop.

Flop
8 9 10 (2 diamonds)

Player 1 in EP bets $7,
Player 2 next to him raises to $17.

I am next to act, and so while I am pondering what to do with my flopped straight...the 5 players behind me all fold out of turn and Player 1 "calls" the raise from Player 2. Then when I say..."uhhh, I think its my turn to act" Player 1 pulls his call back. (yeh yeh, I know his money should stay out there, but thats not important for this hand)

So with all that new information. I sit and ponder what do they have. I have both of them covered, they both have about $150ish, while I somehow built my $120 buyin to $250ish or so by then.

A little info on the 2 players.
Player 1 fires out at every pot on the turn if it checks around, or on the flop if he is in LP. His early bet told me he might have a pair or flush draw?

Player 2 is more tight, and straight forward player.

I thought about just calling. I was torn. Being a limped pot and on that board I instantly assumed I was up against a bigger straight draw. I went back and forth on what to do. I even talked to the table a little bit.

"this would be so weak if I just folded this hand, but I don't think I can just call....its either fold or raise"

I was thinking, a call didn't do much for me. I already knew Player 1 was going to call. So any card that comes might improve one or both of their hands.

One of the other players then prompted me to..."fuck it, just push" after my little speech.

At which point I grabbed a stack of red and said "okay, lets do fifty"

My thought was, only someone with a ton of outs (assuming they actually count their outs and odds) would call my raise. Neither one of them I considered "maniacs" so I wasn't worried about a crazy all in or anything like that.

After a little deliberation, Player 1 called the full $50. Player 2 thought for a little while. And ended up mucking. (he later told me that he had JTo)

The turn: K (black card)

Player 1 checks to me....what now?

TommyTwoToes · Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 13468

Zero wrote: Zero wrote: Has an interesting hand come up today while I was at PR.

1-2NL
10 handed table.

I was in middle position. A couple callers in front of me, I limped with
67o (black cards) 8 players to the flop.

Flop
8 9 10 (2 diamonds)

Player 1 in EP bets $7,
Player 2 next to him raises to $17.

I am next to act, and so while I am pondering what to do with my flopped straight...the 5 players behind me all fold out of turn and Player 1 "calls" the raise from Player 2. Then when I say..."uhhh, I think its my turn to act" Player 1 pulls his call back. (yeh yeh, I know his money should stay out there, but thats not important for this hand)

So with all that new information. I sit and ponder what do they have. I have both of them covered, they both have about $150ish, while I somehow built my $120 buyin to $250ish or so by then.

A little info on the 2 players.
Player 1 fires out at every pot on the turn if it checks around, or on the flop if he is in LP. His early bet told me he might have a pair or flush draw?

Player 2 is more tight, and straight forward player.

I thought about just calling. I was torn. Being a limped pot and on that board I instantly assumed I was up against a bigger straight draw. I went back and forth on what to do. I even talked to the table a little bit.

"this would be so weak if I just folded this hand, but I don't think I can just call....its either fold or raise"

I was thinking, a call didn't do much for me. I already knew Player 1 was going to call. So any card that comes might improve one or both of their hands.

One of the other players then prompted me to..."fuck it, just push" after my little speech.

At which point I grabbed a stack of red and said "okay, lets do fifty"

My thought was, only someone with a ton of outs (assuming they actually count their outs and odds) would call my raise. Neither one of them I considered "maniacs" so I wasn't worried about a crazy all in or anything like that.

After a little deliberation, Player 1 called the full $50. Player 2 thought for a little while. And ended up mucking. (he later told me that he had JTo)

The turn: K (black card)

Player 1 checks to me....what now?

check and pray for a 2 of clubs.
or push all in...

thejim · Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 12159

Given the action, all-in. On this street, there's really no decision.

itsoverjonny · Joined: 10 Jun 2006 Posts: 1698

Zero wrote: The turn: K (black card)

Player 1 checks to me....what now?

Autoshove

Zero · Joined: 15 May 2006 Posts: 4387

I bet $100, which was most of his remaining stack.

He thought for a long time, and then folded. Mumbled something like "do you have a straight?" He never said what he had.

This hand made me think how much it sucks to flop bottom end of a straight sometimes. Very Omaha-ish type of hand. I don't like feeling nervous with a made hand like that. heh

See, we don't always just post bad beat stories.